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Hiro Ceffoe
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.30 13:46:00 -
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I was mining in an industrial while I was doing housework, worked out well for me, why blanket the idea of industrial mining with an absolute like "its dumb" or "just dont" surely its entirely dependant on the state of the player, not everyone devotes 100 percent of there attention to EVE at all times.
The ore I got during that hour or two of mining in an industrial is more than I would have got if I hadn't done it, I don't see how thats a bad thing.
It would make more sense to maybe use math or the age old example to support your post, telling someone not to do something because you consider it stupid is not advice its dictating. To advise someone is to tell them the pros and cons of a situation biased in the direction you prefer and then let them make up there own mind. |
Hiro Ceffoe
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.30 13:58:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Reading is something they didnt teach you.
OP said that indy mining is "good" for AFK mining (which is what you did).
He is more talking about ATK mining in indy ships.
Yet the topic title reads Mining in an industrial - Just dont, where it should read Mining in an industrial - just dont, unless AFK.
highonpop wrote:mining in and industrial is not good even if you are afk.
Even though I just gave you a reason why it worked for me in one situation, I'm sure there are other situations it would also be useful for. |
Hiro Ceffoe
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.30 14:45:00 -
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Keno Skir wrote:If you read the post properly you would have read my reference to AFK miners not being the point of the post, scroll up and read it again more carefully.
I was attempting to open your mind to new ways of thinking, let me give it one more shot, tonight I may mine in an industrial while I play with my new CAD software, now technically I am at the keyboard but paying less than 100 percent attention to EVE, my point ultimately was that you made a blanket statement to cover a situation and then called it advice. You didn't offer any real advice or any statistical evidence to support WHY you shouldn't mine in an industrial.
Therefore your advice is not really any more informative or "better" than the people who tell rookies to mine in an industrial.
Saying something like:
Using an industrial you will sacrifice mining yield (amount per cycle) for space in cargohold.
If the time it takes to return to station and unload a frigate takes longer than it does to mine the same amount in an industrial, then an industrial is a better choice.
another example of this is if the system you are mining in doesn't have a station and so every time you fill up a frigate you have to make one or more jumps to unload and then come back, then in this situation it would probably be useful to use an industrial
that is advice
Don't use an industrial ship to mine cos' its dumb
Is NOT advice |
Hiro Ceffoe
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.30 14:55:00 -
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Put simply I have mined in an industrial and I am a new player, I would have thought that I and others like me were the point or "audience" of this post, yet it doesn't make me want to mine in an industrial any less, you didn't provide any information I can use to determine for myself why mining in an industrial is bad.
If I was to create a new post and claim "there is no profit in Planetary interaction cos' it's dumb" would that be advice?
Robert De'Arneth wrote:I think it is advice, and advice that should be follwed by every NEW EVE Citizen, afterall that is what this forum is for. :) You just want to argue is all your tripe is about.
I am not arguing, I am debating, that is what A forum is for, I would prefer that rookies in eve use there brain to determine wether mining in an industrial is either good or bad based on fact not on opinion and supposition. |
Hiro Ceffoe
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.30 15:01:00 -
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Keno Skir wrote:Hiro Ceffoe wrote:Don't use an industrial ship to mine cos' its dumb
Is NOT advice Thats not anywhere near what i said, and everyone seems to see it but you. And reducing my post to a silly 1-liner makes only one of us look silly.
It's a simple summary of your post, but I can change it to
"industrial ships are a STUPID choice of mining ship."
If you prefer, the meaning and context remain the same. |
Hiro Ceffoe
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.30 15:06:00 -
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Keno Skir wrote:You are an AFK miner. Sitting at your computer doing something else makes you no less an AFK miner. I have clearly stated several times now that the post is not aimed at AFK miners, but at new players being told crap advice BY afk miners like you. Please can we just stop the trolling, every point you have tried to make is already obviously covered in the first post 
Actually I am not an AFK miner I was just providing examples, in fact you probably won't see me mining at all as I find it to be rather dull, not the point though and therefore irrelevant.
I in fact for the most part agree, mining in an industrial generally generates less income than mining in a frigate does, but it all depends on the situation at hand. |
Hiro Ceffoe
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.30 15:11:00 -
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EVElopedia Mining Guide
See what I did there? I provided factually correct, supported helpful information in one line whereas you created an entire post, got all defensive about it and yet said significantly less than I did.
Also I never once insulted or attacked you in any way to make my point.
Did I "troll" you?
Was I right?
Are you angry?
This is over. |
Hiro Ceffoe
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.30 16:06:00 -
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highonpop wrote:I'm not trying to tell you that you are wrong. I'm just saying that an industrial is NOT meant for AFK mining. If you get outside of 1.0-0.9 space and do it. You WILL die to the belt rats. YOu can't tank an industrial to perma-tank belt rats, even frigates... truncated
For the most part you are right, I think the OP was talking about pre mining ship capable pilots, I certainly was, I think once a pilot gets into a mining ship it becomes a non-issue.
J'Poll wrote:This post and then later on you claim
A. Not to mine AFK
B. Not mine at all cause it's dull
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You just lost ALL your possible right to believe your post.
Once upon a time I played a game of football, didn't like it, doesn't make me a footballer, you must first do something to discover that you do or do not like it.
J'Poll wrote:You are just another FAIL forum troll alt, if you want to do that. Pick a story and stick to it.
Or maybe I don't want to do that.
But for fun can you provide a definition of "FAIL forum troll alt"?
Also there is nothing in my post to believe, stop taking everything so literally, I made an example to highlight a point, wether you beleive the story I used to highlight the point is irrelevant, it's still a valid story and a valid point.
There is so much anger and hatred on these forums is it always like this? |
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